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what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

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so if you'd like to learn more and to

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a number of aerospace and defense

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insiders tell us that

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anti-gravity planes and discs have been

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a reality for more than half a century

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what if the real question is what should

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the people know

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how much do they really want to know is

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this or is this not why we exist

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to cover what corporate media won't

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unfortunately all the good stuff's

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locked away in special access programs

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born secrets forever secrets no

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mandatory declassification date

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i said ours are theirs well by theirs

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you mean the russians

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i don't mean the russians without your

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discernment without your analysis

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without what i know is your commitment

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to honesty

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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spread

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chris thank you so much for joining me

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today on summer in the skies

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oh it's a it's a pleasure ryan thank you

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for having me the pleasure is all mine

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man i i

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recently watched your film the 11th

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green and

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it blew me away and we we will

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definitely get to that

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but um before we even talk about the

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real reason you're here to talk about

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your new film

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some of my listeners they probably are

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familiar with one of your other films if

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they follow my work

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and the work of uh you know

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cryptozoologists

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and the paranormal and everything and uh

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i saw that this

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wasn't your first dive kind of into the

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unknown and more

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esoteric topics so i was wondering maybe

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if you could uh

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tell us a little about your your film

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letters from the big man

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before we even get started here sure

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sure uh the feature that i made prior to

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this one

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as you say was called letters from the

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big man and it dealt with the subject of

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sasquatch but it tried to deal with it

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in a realistic way

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uh as a drama where the character of the

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sasquatch is not presented as a monster

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or some sort of threatening presence and

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with a woman who was a forester uh an

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artist and while conducting a stream

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winds up interacting with this uh with

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this being who

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winds up being uh an influential uh

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figure in her life in a certain uh in a

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and you know i think you you hit the

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nail on the head when you said uh drama

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now for some of these topics it can

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uh that seems to be changing but uh you

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the cultural impact these things can

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have and um that was very apparent in

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green as well so i guess kind of diving

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into the 11th grade where did you

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interest in it prior yeah how did this

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eisenhower presidency but uh

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persistent uh folklore out there since

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extraterrestrial races and for me you

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exopolitics was this idea of

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and why you know why has it taken this

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interrupted journey by john fuller

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vale um i had read clear intent so i was

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of some of the history but not very much

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of it uh of course once i started

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a great deal of reading and

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phenomenon that didn't necessarily have

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bearing on my storyline but nevertheless

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were important for me to explore to a

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so i think they say that you know it's

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important really to open all of those

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doors even if you don't necessarily walk

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because they inform you know what it is

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so in any case i think my desire to make

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the film arose less out of uh

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uh book about or a definitive film about

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ufo os which is

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involving president eisenhower and how

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journalist is always a good a good

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device in that way

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for allowing us as an audience to

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explore a topic that that

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absolutely and you know in an age where

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an actual investigative journalists out

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looking for the story you know instead

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of regurgitating the same thing

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we see every day you know once one

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then you just see the same thing

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running throughout all of them so um

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in in your story of rudd i'd love to

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maybe paint a little picture

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of um what the overall premise of the

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film is chris if you wouldn't mind you

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know now

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without giving too much away but um yeah

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what what is

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the overall uh idea of the 11th green

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and um maybe a little even about the

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casting of this

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movie i'm i'm very familiar with your

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your main character i've been a huge fan

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of his work

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for a long time so yeah maybe if you

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could just paint a little picture of

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the storyline involves a journalist

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who at the time of his estranged

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father's death

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is summoned back to california to sort

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his father's affairs and his father was

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a retired air force general who

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was very involved in classified

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aerospace programs and at the time of

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the story jeremy is reporting

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on an aerospace company that is

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migrate a black world technology as it

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into commercial aviation and the conceit

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uh the suggestion that around 2008

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of exotic technology and in connection

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so the idea was that at the time

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of jeremy's reporting on this

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present-day event

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he by way of his deceased father

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seemingly incredible

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and extraterrestrials in the 1950s

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and incredibly is offered film

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that purports to describe this and

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as a journalist of course he's he's very

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hesitant about the authenticity of it

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very concerned about

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uh utilizing it uh since it it is being

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so freely

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that it is coming his way is kind of

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indicative of the trend that we've been

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where um there is more information out

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and and more even official

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information and acknowledgement out

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there such as you know these videos

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that have been out for a while but which

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since 2017 by way of the mainstream

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coverage that the new york times

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uh did and and other other outlets that

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typically in the past have not

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uh treated the subject very seriously so

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in any case uh jeremy the the journalist

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character uh who who again was his

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boyhood friend so there are all sorts of

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complications that arise

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concerning whether the technology that

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company is attempting to migrate will be

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declassified and whether that

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that can proceed or you know what would

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happen

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if the military or government decided

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that it couldn't

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you know couldn't be made public and you

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know how would that how would that work

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on a

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there were a lot of opportunities to

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look at some of the issues surrounding

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ufo secrecy such as

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the overclassification of documents um

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and just this this long history of

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uh using this reality the empirical

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reality of ufos as a kind of

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psychological operation almost or

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exploiting it for purposes of the

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national security state and

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exploiting it for purposes of

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private you know gain in in the

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aerospace sector

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and i mean there is you know throughout

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the 70-plus years of

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you know quote-unquote the ufo issue i

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guess there has always been this

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psychological warfare aspect to it i

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mean we know

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for a fact that other countries uh

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russia in particular

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were digging into ufo

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researchers and um sending people

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to try to find stuff out at these things

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so

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you know a lot of ufo researchers wish

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that were the case for them you know

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their work is that important that they

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would have these uh

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russian assets trying to get information

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from them but um

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we've we've seen that this is this is

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the case

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you know they've they have possibly

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tried to

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create false narratives on what ufos are

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or aren't um to either destabilize a

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certain nation

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this that i mean we could go down a

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whole rabbit hole of conspiracy theory

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with that but

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um kind of tying it back to what you're

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saying chris um

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there's these uh these moments in the

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film

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that i really liked where you you

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represent

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ufo videos we mention these current ones

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the tic-tac-uf focus the gimbal the go

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fest and everything

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um but you you go back in time to these

347
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sort of

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more uh 50s and 60s era cold war era

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videos and i was wondering could you

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tell us a little about um

351
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who worked on your effects and how you

352
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conceived your ufos for the movie i mean

353
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there were some some videos that uh

354
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caught my attention where i'm like i

355
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feel like i've seen this

356
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before and of course they're your spin

357
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on them but um

358
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yeah what was your idea for how to cover

359
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the ufo videos that our character rudd

360
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comes across in the film well let's see

361
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we

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also

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knew that we would have a

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straightforward archival

365
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material that was a part of these

366
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discursive

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meetings between two presidents so i

368
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you know sought out material that would

369
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illustrate some of the points

370
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being discussed for instance there's a

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point at which eisenhower is talking

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about

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how you had men good men

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having reactions within themselves that

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they couldn't control and they couldn't

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even begin to understand

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and we we see at that point a couple of

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people who

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figure prominently in the lore people

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like gordon gray and fenever bush and

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and uh hoyt vandenberg and uh

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some of those individuals who again had

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i believe

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grave concerns um having lived through

385
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the second world war

386
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and indeed the war of the worlds which

387
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came out in 1938

388
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um but in terms of how we depicted uh

389
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:01,680
ufos it was a decidedly lo-fi approach

390
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to it and our

391
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the fellow who worked on this uh with me

392
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ethan fox i think did a good job

393
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i think a lot of people have been

394
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critical of of the way

395
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you know the objects are so low lo-fi

396
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but

397
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again we didn't really want to delve

398
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into you know making a modern sort of

399
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effects picture where

400
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there's a lot of visual uh

401
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splash i suppose associated with with

402
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,800
the objects

403
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uh and certainly in the case of the

404
00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:31,040
historical uh ufos like the one that's

405
00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,839
at white sands you know the the

406
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:35,680
intention was to attempt to integrate it

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as

408
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have

409
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:42,320
a couple of more contemporary ones so it

410
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was a loaf

411
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:44,639
the short answer to your question is it

412
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was a lo-fi approach to

413
00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:49,600
depicting the ufos it makes perfect

414
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:51,360
sense i mean again we're looking at

415
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:53,839
you know quite unquote historical or

416
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archival footage so

417
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:57,519
um no i think it worked really well i

418
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mean one of them gave me chills and

419
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,399
again

420
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,160
not giving away too much to the audience

421
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,800
uh you know this idea that these ufos

422
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could or

423
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could not possibly be in

424
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influencing our weaponry you know and

425
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,839
we can get to that in a little bit the

426
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:15,519
the kind of more over

427
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,880
arching question of alien and human

428
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interaction

429
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,720
but uh eisenhower no

430
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:25,040
this is a big focus of the film and you

431
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did mention

432
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different uh world leaders meeting in

433
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your film

434
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,160
and um of course eisenhower's played a

435
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:34,320
huge role in ufo lore he's a major

436
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:34,880
player

437
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:38,720
in your story and um so was a obama-like

438
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:42,000
representation so why did you decide um

439
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,639
having these two former presidents meet

440
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,079
up in the film and maybe

441
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if you could describe a little of your

442
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,120
approach to how

443
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:51,600
they meet in the story this this this

444
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:53,519
blew my mind man i'm not gonna lie i

445
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:54,240
loved it

446
00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:57,279
oh well i'm glad it worked for you

447
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:00,800
you know the idea was that we have this

448
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,000
contemporary obama-like president

449
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,839
at a time when he really needs more

450
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:07,600
clarity on this particular subject which

451
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:08,000
he

452
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:11,600
has had limited access to and

453
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:14,800
he uh well in a literal sense he

454
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:18,399
he uses a certain meditation

455
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,480
protocol involving a recording to um

456
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,160
go into this sort of altered state of

457
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consciousness in which

458
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,800
he he encounters eisenhower uh in this

459
00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:30,959
kind of you can call it a dreamscape if

460
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:32,880
you want or some some

461
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,079
in between uh out of time place

462
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:39,040
and again during these discursive

463
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:40,880
conversations between the two men

464
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:43,680
he he gains a deeper understanding and

465
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:44,480
also

466
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:47,360
gains eisenhower's seemingly after death

467
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,639
perspective on

468
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,399
how the events have have progressed

469
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,560
since then and what might be

470
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,600
an optimal approach for him to take and

471
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:57,680
you know as far as why these particular

472
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:59,040
guys were chosen well

473
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:01,279
again eisenhower figures prominently in

474
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,399
the lore

475
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:05,600
and uh obama again seemed like

476
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:08,640
uh a man of such intellectual

477
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:11,679
you know curiosity as to be

478
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:14,559
a really good foil for him and of course

479
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,160
the way in which i depicted them

480
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:19,039
i think undoubtedly was informed by my

481
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:19,919
admiration

482
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,079
them in different ways

483
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:26,559
uh despite you know grave misgivings

484
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,360
about certain

485
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,280
policies that each of them took i mean

486
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,880
with eisenhower it's

487
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:33,039
it's very obvious now that you know some

488
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,039
of the covert actions that he embraced

489
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:36,960
so readily in the 1950s were really

490
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misguided and that we are in fact living

491
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,520
with

492
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,360
the very negative consequences of those

493
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,880
actions now

494
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,320
you know obama were still a little bit

495
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,080
too close to his presidency

496
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,559
really but there certainly are a number

497
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,240
of areas in which he

498
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:52,320
he dealt with uh national security

499
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,280
matters and

500
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and targeted killing and so forth where

501
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:56,799
it would not be

502
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:59,679
inappropriate to have misgivings i think

503
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:00,720
but in any case

504
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,320
um the the topic of this film was

505
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:06,880
the ufos and the extraterrestrial

506
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presence

507
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:10,240
and it was intended to be really in a

508
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:11,360
political movie

509
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:14,480
uh since the subject of ufos is

510
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:15,280
inherently

511
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,559
apolitical um as we've seen you know by

512
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the various uh television appearances

513
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and

514
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suggestions of recent presidents uh

515
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including

516
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:27,039
our current president uh very recently

517
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,080
about this subject

518
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,559
so there is there is a long history of

519
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:31,760
our fascination

520
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,880
with uh presidents uh and presidential

521
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,400
exopolitics and this is something that

522
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,520
grant cameron

523
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:38,880
certainly over the years has written

524
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,200
about uh very thoroughly

525
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,880
and uh in a very in-depth sort of way

526
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:47,200
so i i think there's certainly something

527
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,000
about

528
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,320
inherent in the american presidency that

529
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:52,080
is fascinating to us

530
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,200
since it represents a projection of all

531
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:56,640
of our highest values and

532
00:19:01,029 --> 00:19:00,320
ideals and uh when it sort of falls

533
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,039
short of that

534
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,840
um or when we feel like information

535
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:05,440
maybe is being withheld from us for

536
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,640
whatever reason

537
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,799
you know we we sometimes have an

538
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,720
emotional reaction

539
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,640
in eisenhower's case i you know he

540
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,160
certainly accepted that

541
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:16,960
large parts of his work had to be done

542
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,799
you know out of view of the public but i

543
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:19,679
never

544
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,799
doubted his um who he was working for i

545
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,000
never doubted that he

546
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,400
was a servant of the people he was you

547
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,720
know of course a national hero having

548
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,360
you know led the allied expeditionary

549
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,960
forces in europe during the second world

550
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,840
war he was

551
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:36,240
supreme allied commander after the war

552
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,320
he was the first head of nato

553
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,720
he was president of colombia university

554
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,480
and he was the american president for

555
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,600
for two terms and he shepherded america

556
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:47,360
through a very dangerous period you know

557
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,000
which

558
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:50,400
i think uh from a historical perspective

559
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:51,679
now often seems

560
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,880
like it was more idyllic than it was or

561
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,640
more stable than it was

562
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,480
probably because of the economic

563
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,080
prosperity that america

564
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:02,480
enjoyed during that time period but the

565
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,200
reality is

566
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:05,120
it was extremely dangerous due to all of

567
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,400
this you know

568
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,120
testing of thermonuclear devices you

569
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:10,880
know which of course segues into your

570
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:13,919
your earlier point about the presence

571
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,360
of ufos at nuclear storage facilities

572
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:19,360
and the demonstration over and over

573
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,080
again very

574
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,200
unequivocally that they can disable

575
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,320
um these devices you know and eisenhower

576
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,919
in the film legitimately asks the

577
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:29,120
question well if they can

578
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:32,240
disable the devices what is to keep

579
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,039
people from

580
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:35,520
fearing that they're going to fire one

581
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,480
as well yeah

582
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,440
so and and that particular area you know

583
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,360
ufos and nukes as it were

584
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,960
is is it's been some really

585
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,360
authoritative good work done by people

586
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,880
like robert hastings who

587
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,280
who published a book by that title and

588
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,600
it's an excellent documentary as well

589
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,400
uh that he participated in with with bob

590
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,080
salas

591
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:58,320
also extremely well researched and prior

592
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,200
to that

593
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,760
fawcett and greenwood's classic book

594
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,039
clear intent

595
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:06,240
you know uncovered a lot of um uh a lot

596
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:06,640
of

597
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,159
these

598
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,159
incidents which were very unsettling for

599
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:13,919
the people who were involved in them

600
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,960
absolutely i mean the fact that

601
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,200
they could like you said with a flip of

602
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,559
a switch either way

603
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,960
uh control our most powerful weapons on

604
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,600
the planet

605
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,000
is a little you know a little concerning

606
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,480
um even if their intentions are good uh

607
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,960
we always come back to the the question

608
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,799
like are we the threat

609
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,919
you know in dealing with these possible

610
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,720
others

611
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:39,760
uh we we hear so much right now

612
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,799
of these navy pilots and you know not so

613
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:43,679
worried about

614
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,760
these unknown aerial phenomena uh

615
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,799
being a threat to them but our reaction

616
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,520
to them

617
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:54,400
could be the possible threat so it's

618
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:55,120
it's

619
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,240
and um you know we'll ask those heavy

620
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,280
questions

621
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,200
uh in a moment here chris but i do want

622
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,120
to move back to a more technical

623
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:06,480
question if you don't mind

624
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:10,159
uh the title 11th green the the home of

625
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,360
eisenhower

626
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,960
and later in life the home of jeremy

627
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,559
rudd your your

628
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,280
uh character your protagonist his father

629
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:19,520
uh both lived in the same home and it

630
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,080
was

631
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,799
stunning to look at so i have to ask how

632
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:23,919
did you find

633
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,960
this home where was it located yeah give

634
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,280
us the history on that if you don't mind

635
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,720
well thank you yeah no we were very

636
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,039
fortunate in that sense um my original

637
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,799
hope of course was to build

638
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:37,600
the uh uh the house on a stage you know

639
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:37,840
and

640
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,120
place there

641
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,280
and i had visited eisenhower's actual

642
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:45,760
house which the current owners were

643
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,559
extremely kind to let me see and

644
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,080
photograph and so forth

645
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,320
but at a certain point it was clear that

646
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,000
i would be working at such a low budget

647
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,799
it would be impossible to build uh to

648
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,640
build it on a set so i needed to find a

649
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,760
location

650
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,520
and in that connection you know we

651
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:03,039
because we were such a small

652
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,320
crew just a small handful of people

653
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,799
we actually did look on location a lot

654
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,880
in palm desert and palm springs

655
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,240
california

656
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,039
and uh there were a couple of historic

657
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,760
houses that were possibilities but

658
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,760
not really very practical owing to the

659
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,799
fact firstly that

660
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,240
they were situated in these very

661
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,640
exclusive golf clubs but also

662
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,960
in the case of one of them at least it

663
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,760
was

664
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,600
furnished you know with period furniture

665
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:31,600
and the wear and tear factor would have

666
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,000
been

667
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,039
really bad for it so it didn't work out

668
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,799
for us to shoot there however

669
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,799
um our production designer jennifer

670
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:40,960
gentile and our producer

671
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,080
uh valeria lopez uh had both as had i

672
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:46,559
we had all seen uh a post that had

673
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,120
occurred

674
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,039
or that it appeared in the architectural

675
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:50,960
blog la curbed

676
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:54,640
about a house in la canada that

677
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,240
was very historic it was built around

678
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,679
1958

679
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:02,400
and it was similar to the case study

680
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:02,960
houses

681
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,640
in the sense that a lot of manufacturers

682
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,120
saw it as a as a showplace for their

683
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,400
products whether they be

684
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,159
you know built-in appliances or

685
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,320
cabinetry or carpeting or

686
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:17,440
what have you and this house had just

687
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,000
been sold

688
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,559
and it was in escrow at the time we were

689
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,520
looking

690
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:24,400
and unavailable but the day that it

691
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,360
closed escrow

692
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,919
uh jennifer the production designer you

693
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,360
know got in touch with the owner

694
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,159
and found out you know if it would be

695
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,440
possible for them to delay the

696
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,960
renovation work that they were planning

697
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,559
to start on the house

698
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:39,279
so it just worked out very fortuitously

699
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,000
for us

700
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,480
uh that we could do anything we we

701
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:43,919
needed to do with the house

702
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,200
um and you know it was convenient and

703
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,400
not in the desert and i and fortunately

704
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,960
it had only been owned by one family

705
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,720
since it had been built so

706
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:57,200
it was a virtual time capsule in many of

707
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,320
the actual

708
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,200
uh furniture and dressing was from the

709
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,159
house itself

710
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,520
um that we made use of so i'm just

711
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,279
extremely happy and every time i see

712
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,600
every time i see the film and see the

713
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,320
character of the house itself it brought

714
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,400
so much to the movie in that sense i i

715
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,840
couldn't be more pleased with it and of

716
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,559
course

717
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:18,480
sarah garth our cinematographer did a

718
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,600
wonderful job

719
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,600
photographing it and and using different

720
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,960
techniques for the different

721
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,039
eras that are depicted there uh

722
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,799
hopefully to distinguish them

723
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,840
uh from each other that's awesome i love

724
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,720
hearing

725
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,919
you know the the inside story on how

726
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,000
these things come to be in terms of

727
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,120
like just by happenstance or

728
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
the timing is perfect and you're right i

729
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,360
mean it was stunning to look at and

730
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,120
i'm watching i'm like wow that's where

731
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,120
the budget went for this thing

732
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,039
but in reality like you said it was like

733
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,159
a virtual time capsule it it just added

734
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,120
such a flavor and style to uh to the

735
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,440
movie so no that was awesome a character

736
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,440
of its own i would say

737
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,520
yes and it was a big budget item but it

738
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,720
was such an important

739
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,960
location we needed to we needed to spend

740
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,840
the money

741
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:08,640
yeah well well worth it um well moving

742
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,200
back to

743
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,480
uh i guess the the bigger questions in

744
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,360
the film chris

745
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,480
you have this this thing you call the

746
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:18,880
back room boys i love this term

747
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,760
and um so would you mind maybe giving us

748
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,520
a little idea of what these back room

749
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,799
boys represent

750
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,120
in the oval overall narrative of your

751
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:28,159
film

752
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,880
to the hypothesis or or uh

753
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,919
it postulates that there was a post-war

754
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,799
special group

755
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,679
that was created specifically to deal

756
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,480
with

757
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:45,840
objects

758
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,799
with the presumed extraterrestrial

759
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,159
presence

760
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,720
and this organization again allegedly

761
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,240
usurped

762
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,080
other branches of the government not

763
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,520
that it was a branch of the government

764
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,960
it was always i think

765
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,840
created to to be autonomous from the

766
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:03,600
government so that the government itself

767
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,000
could

768
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:06,400
maintain plausible deniability with

769
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,200
respect to

770
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,120
everything that was going on but there

771
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,559
was a real need for

772
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,000
for the special studies group and there

773
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,000
was all sorts of i think there were all

774
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,799
sorts of turf wars that that went on

775
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,720
you know during that during that era

776
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,159
particularly with regard to signals

777
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:21,600
intelligence

778
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,960
you know nsa which was the successor to

779
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,760
the army's uh signal security i think

780
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,799
felt that it

781
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:31,120
should have you know authority for for

782
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,399
all of that and and

783
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,600
very interestingly some of this is

784
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,000
described by admiral mcconnell

785
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
uh in his confirmation hearing uh his

786
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,919
senate confirmation hearing he talks

787
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,279
about some of these

788
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,480
these turf wars and again nsa's struggle

789
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,919
to

790
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,760
maintain dominance i guess they would

791
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,360
say over

792
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,760
over signals intelligence but the group

793
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,039
itself

794
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,080
you know various names have been

795
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,399
uh suggested as having been members of

796
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,600
the group

797
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,919
whitley strieber wrote a very good novel

798
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,960
a novel

799
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,440
about this alleged organization called

800
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,360
majestic which i think kind of gets it

801
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:08,799
basically right

802
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,919
so you had again as eisenhower's head

803
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,240
men with with grave concerns about this

804
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,559
some of them like admiral hillenketter

805
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:19,279
uh returned to active duty after his

806
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,840
service

807
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,600
in the alleged organization and after

808
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,720
his service to as first director of cia

809
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,600
uh and indeed was you know a board

810
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,840
member of nycap was a good friend of of

811
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,360
the auth of the writer

812
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,679
donald kehoe who wrote some of the most

813
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,679
important books of the 50s that

814
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,279
sort of gives us the blow by blow

815
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,960
account of this and

816
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,559
and interestingly going back to what we

817
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,159
were talking about earlier about

818
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,960
ufos and nukes helen ketter himself in

819
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,399
the early 1960s

820
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,520
uh stated publicly his concern uh which

821
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:51,919
echoed the concern of many military men

822
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:55,039
that the misidentification of a ufo as

823
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,000
some sort of

824
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,240
soviet threat could lead to that

825
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,559
disaster and the starting of a war so he

826
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,360
he was a proponent of open research uh

827
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,960
on the subject later on

828
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,039
but in any case it does seem that the

829
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,399
post-war group

830
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:11,440
was an outgrowth or made use extensive

831
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,240
use of

832
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,760
the apparatus that was in place

833
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,200
for the atomic bomb project that

834
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,399
was an outgrowth of osrd the the office

835
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:24,640
of scientific research and development

836
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:28,240
which veneever bush headed he describes

837
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,440
in his late memoir

838
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,919
pieces of the action in great detail the

839
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,520
way in which he went around

840
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,159
congress and went around the military to

841
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:37,760
president roosevelt directly

842
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,279
to to establish the organization

843
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,760
which provided a number of important

844
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:45,440
technological

845
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,880
tools to this country

846
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:51,279
immediately before and during the war

847
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,080
and

848
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,080
of course oversaw the building of the

849
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,840
bomb so that the national

850
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,159
laboratories existed and within the

851
00:30:02,710 --> 00:29:59,760
national laboratories

852
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,720
after the war these phenomena could be

853
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,440
studied

854
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,200
and uh and so forth so you know i think

855
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,279
again this is speculation but it kind of

856
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,559
conforms to what is

857
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,640
commonly accepted uh the american

858
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,320
president harry truman

859
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,240
had a greater degree of involvement at

860
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,480
that time given that the group

861
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,360
had been formed uh after the war and and

862
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:22,799
during his presidency

863
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,840
and in subsequent presidencies

864
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,320
you know the the organization became

865
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:29,840
presumably more and more

866
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,559
compartmentalized less accurate

867
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,919
information was shared

868
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,840
in fact there's a deleted scene from the

869
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,360
film uh

870
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:38,960
which is a good scene i i really like it

871
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,000
but it it uses as its point of departure

872
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:45,679
the folklore that at a certain point the

873
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,600
organization was in albuquerque

874
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,640
and defying eisenhower refusing to

875
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,399
report back to him

876
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,440
and he in turn threatened to threaten

877
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:00,480
to very publicly compel them

878
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,679
you know to to do so and in the film

879
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,600
or sorry in the deleted scene from the

880
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,159
film he meets with with robert cutler

881
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,279
bobby cutler his

882
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,880
uh his national security adviser and uh

883
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,279
imposes on him to to go out to

884
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,880
albuquerque and let them know in

885
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,799
no uncertain terms that he'll have them

886
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,799
brought back bodily if they if they

887
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,870
so in this sense i i think there were uh

888
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,919
there were aspects of that that have an

889
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,960
historical

890
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:33,440
basis during eisenhower's presidency for

891
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,159
sure

892
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,960
but we've been told that the clandestine

893
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,960
organization continued to exist and

894
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:39,760
evolve

895
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,159
and i don't have any any reason not to

896
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,240
think that that that is the case if we

897
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:48,399
consider you know in in the modern day

898
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,120
whatever

899
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,000
it is evolved into some sort of senior

900
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,000
interagency intelligence group

901
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,480
uh if we consider the way in which

902
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,440
public events

903
00:32:12,950 --> 00:31:59,440
public close encounter events are very

904
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,269
more documented way in which to think of

905
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,799
this is to compare

906
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,039
say the the alleged roswell incidents

907
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,960
with the ones that followed

908
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,000
simply a couple of years later at aztec

909
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,679
uh new mexico and compare the um

910
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,080
the swiftness and efficiency with which

911
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:31,679
the the aztec events

912
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,960
uh unfolded and were secretized compared

913
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,000
to the messiness

914
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,200
of how the alleged roswell events were

915
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:40,799
handled and secretized

916
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,519
yeah learning from their mistakes i

917
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:45,279
guess would be a good way to put it

918
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,269
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931
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932
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933
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941
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964
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:25,919
guide

965
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,030
well okay so we did mention majestic 12

966
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:40,720
and without getting too speculative

967
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,119
chris

968
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:44,480
um one of those possible members

969
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:48,240
some people have have said was uh james

970
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,040
forrestal

971
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,280
and my mentor and colleague peter

972
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,240
robbins

973
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,599
he's a big you know proponent of uh

974
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:58,000
not so much the ufo angle of jim for

975
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,119
james forestall

976
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,040
but his life and his career and um

977
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,359
and yes his connections to the ufo issue

978
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,119
so for those who may not be familiar

979
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,520
could you maybe give us a little idea of

980
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,880
who forrest all was

981
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,960
and why you used him in the film and you

982
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,040
even dedicated the film to him which i

983
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,400
thought was very

984
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,560
powerful so yeah maybe if you could run

985
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,960
us through who forestall was and how he

986
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,000
plays into your

987
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:24,560
your narrative well yes i mean forestall

988
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,119
was

989
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,520
for me a very important entry point into

990
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,960
this material

991
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:31,520
uh he was you know an investment banker

992
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,000
who

993
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,720
um uh was extremely successful in the

994
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,240
20s and 30s

995
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,119
he was you know he worked for dylan reed

996
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,240
and um

997
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,000
clarence dillon you know the father of

998
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:43,680
doug dillon later

999
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:46,560
john kennedy's secretary of the treasury

1000
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,119
and

1001
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,839
when war broke out i mean he he devoted

1002
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,599
himself to public service

1003
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,320
he became eventually secretary of the

1004
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,440
navy

1005
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,920
while i've heard eisenhower's dictation

1006
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,440
of one of his memoirs

1007
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,040
discussing the way in which forrest all

1008
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,880
confided in him that he was

1009
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,560
he was broke i mean he had been through

1010
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,240
his fortune and and this was a guy who

1011
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,240
was fantastically wealthy i mean

1012
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,280
he lived in the style of of jay gatsby

1013
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,599
and and indeed in the same you know in

1014
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:15,359
the same neck of the woods on on long

1015
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,320
island

1016
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,920
and uh but he he became as i say a very

1017
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,640
dedicated public servant and

1018
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:25,280
the most wonderful biography of him is

1019
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,000
um

1020
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,160
townsend hoops and douglas brinkley's

1021
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,079
book driven patriot which is a

1022
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,000
fantastically good biography

1023
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,920
but there are other sources that have

1024
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,079
more of a bearing on his later

1025
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:38,400
decline you know he had he had a

1026
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,280
psychiatric

1027
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,640
a psychological decline overseeing the

1028
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,280
unification of you know the the the

1029
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,359
armed services after the war

1030
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,320
um into the department of defense it was

1031
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,079
a real struggle for him you know

1032
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,880
and and navy was probably the most

1033
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:55,839
obstinate

1034
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,920
branch of the service in ceding its uh

1035
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,560
authority you know uh to this larger

1036
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,079
department of defense

1037
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,359
um so you know he

1038
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,440
it was very difficult for him very very

1039
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:11,200
difficult and

1040
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,880
uh at a certain point he was

1041
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:17,920
uh replaced you know president truman

1042
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,680
felt that uh lewis johnson would would

1043
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:24,000
do the job better and of course johnson

1044
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:24,800
was

1045
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,359
a man of nowhere near the the skill and

1046
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,079
dedication of forestall or i should say

1047
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,839
he probably was more self-serving than

1048
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,560
he was

1049
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,839
but in any case forestall is reputed to

1050
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:38,880
have been

1051
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,160
one of the people who recognized the

1052
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,760
necessity of there being

1053
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:46,880
a a special group a majestic type

1054
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,320
organization after the war and

1055
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,119
so i think that again this is

1056
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,960
speculative to a degree but i think that

1057
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:56,880
he was a proponent

1058
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,320
of gradual gradual acclimatization and

1059
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,440
the gradual revelation of

1060
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,359
the information to the public you know

1061
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,510
not necessarily all at once certainly

1062
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:13,599
but i think that as he saw

1063
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,839
various factions various

1064
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,760
private factions you know struggling to

1065
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,040
benefit from

1066
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,920
the secretization of the information and

1067
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,640
whatever

1068
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:27,440
artifacts you know were were being

1069
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,320
examined

1070
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:31,119
at that time i think he felt the need to

1071
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,160
accelerate even

1072
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,599
his own plans and the necessity to try

1073
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,280
and bring out some of the information

1074
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,560
through his congressional contacts so

1075
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,400
you know again the official story is

1076
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,640
full of of mystery it's one of those

1077
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,839
those uh historical events that

1078
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,880
is has so much ambiguity to it that

1079
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:53,040
it's going to keep people guessing for a

1080
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,079
long time

1081
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,720
but you can you can read the will cuts

1082
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,560
report which was the official inquest

1083
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,320
which was unavailable for a long time

1084
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,160
the navy had kept it out of the public

1085
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,119
eye but

1086
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,520
it uh it became available in the early

1087
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,720
2000s

1088
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:09,040
due to a diligent researcher obtaining

1089
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,240
it by foia

1090
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:13,040
request and you can view it at the sealy

1091
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:13,599
mud

1092
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,720
library uh you know in princeton

1093
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,760
uh online you can view it forestall was

1094
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:20,800
of course a

1095
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,560
princeton alumnus so that

1096
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:27,760
let's see very much he for me is kind of

1097
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,880
emotionally at the center of what went

1098
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,599
wrong

1099
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:34,960
in the way in which we handled these

1100
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,280
events yeah yeah i i think to

1101
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:42,079
the way you handle it in your film uh

1102
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:42,640
the

1103
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:46,960
end of his life it's extremely

1104
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,640
powerful and well done by the performer

1105
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:53,359
who played forrest all in your film it

1106
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,760
it

1107
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
gave me chills watching that scene so i

1108
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,240
won't give it away to the audience

1109
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,880
but uh yeah kudos to the actor who plays

1110
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,760
well ian hart

1111
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:04,000
yeah ian hart is one of one of the great

1112
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,040
british actors

1113
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,720
and i had had the pleasure of working

1114
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,640
with him at the very beginning of his

1115
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,440
career

1116
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,760
on my first feature the hours and times

1117
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,560
and then

1118
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,560
almost 30 years to the day after we made

1119
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,680
that picture he

1120
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,839
he came out to los angeles to shoot his

1121
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,720
scenes for me

1122
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,520
for the 11th green so even though

1123
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,200
forestall doesn't have a lot of screen

1124
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,480
time in the movie

1125
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,920
um ian does a really

1126
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,800
intense uh evocative job of of depicting

1127
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,440
him

1128
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,280
so you know and i should point out i

1129
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,119
mean there were many other reasons why

1130
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:37,680
forrest all was controversial and why

1131
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,319
people

1132
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,640
found him inconvenient to be around at

1133
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,920
that point you know

1134
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,839
perhaps chief among those was his

1135
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,280
opposition to

1136
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:48,000
you know the partition of of palestine

1137
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,640
uh

1138
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:51,119
and he he had that position not because

1139
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,079
of any

1140
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,119
anti-semitism on his part but knowing

1141
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,280
that it was going to be the quagmire you

1142
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,440
know into the future that that it has

1143
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,160
been

1144
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,319
and there were other you know other

1145
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:03,760
reasons why

1146
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:06,880
he was he was no longer you know

1147
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,319
useful i guess yeah i mean it is he is

1148
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,960
an enigma in himself and i think his

1149
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,400
impact is still

1150
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,760
you know evolving in terms of a lot of

1151
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,280
where our country has led

1152
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,800
uh and in terms of

1153
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,119
sort of moving to i guess technology

1154
00:41:30,910 --> 00:41:27,520
chris uh your film deals with the major

1155
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:30,920
struggle of disclosing the reality of uh

1156
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,520
anti-gravity and possibly alien

1157
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,480
technology

1158
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,160
to the world in terms of your character

1159
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,240
rudd and um i'd love to get your

1160
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,920
thoughts on this do you think you know

1161
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,000
since 2017

1162
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,480
uh the you know secret pentagon program

1163
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,440
we learned about

1164
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:48,240
uh this to the stars academy working

1165
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:48,960
with

1166
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,000
the navy the army uh this

1167
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:54,319
even up to the senate intelligence

1168
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,040
committee

1169
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,280
thing we're hearing about now with a

1170
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,839
possible ufo task force

1171
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,880
i mean i guess my question would be do

1172
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,200
you

1173
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,520
think that we're moving closer to any

1174
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,680
type of disclosure when it comes to

1175
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,839
uh technology that could ultimately

1176
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,440
change the world

1177
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,880
yes yes but i

1178
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,400
as far as any sort of truth and

1179
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,400
reconciliation with the past

1180
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:21,839
and the grave uh sort of illegality that

1181
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:22,160
has

1182
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,839
necessarily see that coming and i don't

1183
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,280
think it's really healthy for us to sort

1184
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:28,480
of focus on

1185
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,160
a desire for that but i do see

1186
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,839
in the future that some of the

1187
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,280
breakthrough energy and propulsion

1188
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:36,800
technology will

1189
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,400
uh finally be meeting intersecting

1190
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,720
our world that is ready for it whereas i

1191
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,040
think in the past in those isolated

1192
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,480
incidents where maverick inventors and

1193
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,000
visionary inventors

1194
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,880
have created these exotic technologies

1195
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,119
that were suppressed

1196
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,280
there was not the readiness at the time

1197
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,640
they just couldn't happen

1198
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,800
we were we as a society were not ready

1199
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,319
for them although

1200
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,079
you know probably uh we'd be a lot

1201
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,160
better off if if we had been in terms of

1202
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,000
the environmental degradation that

1203
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:10,720
has occurred over the past century but

1204
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,359
yes

1205
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,480
now now is the time for these things not

1206
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,680
to be held back and i

1207
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,839
i have no doubt that there are factions

1208
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,520
that are so entrenched

1209
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,079
that they will continue to guard them

1210
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,680
you know tooth and nail

1211
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:26,400
um i think it was ben rich the the

1212
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,040
former

1213
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:29,119
head of lockheed skunk works who said

1214
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,079
that

1215
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:33,599
uh these exotic technologies absolutely

1216
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,079
exist

1217
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
but they're so deeply buried in special

1218
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,880
access programs that it would take

1219
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,480
i forget what he said exactly i think he

1220
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,400
said an act of god

1221
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,000
to migrate them into the uh open science

1222
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,520
and therefore it is better to reinvent

1223
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,520
them in the open science and

1224
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,560
so obviously that's not efficient

1225
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,960
but but anybody you know who has worked

1226
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,160
in in

1227
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,040
the highly secret programs that are also

1228
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,640
highly compartmentalized

1229
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,079
will testify to the fact that they're

1230
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,760
not efficient either since there's not

1231
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,520
an open exchange of information

1232
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,359
between people who are working on

1233
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,800
different pieces of the puzzle

1234
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:13,119
you know i mean during the second world

1235
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,000
war

1236
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,640
general groves famously wanted to enlist

1237
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:17,839
all of the scientists

1238
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:21,040
at los alamos and to maintain a strict

1239
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,000
compartmentalization

1240
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,079
between the different divisions and

1241
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,920
there was a rebellion against that

1242
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,000
chiefly chiefly by robert oppenheimer

1243
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,079
who headed the project

1244
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,000
and they never would have accepted it

1245
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,079
but now of course you have

1246
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,240
people who work within these these

1247
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,520
deeply black programs

1248
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,680
as has been attested to by various

1249
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:42,960
informants

1250
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,480
who have very little knowledge of of

1251
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,200
other parts outside of their their

1252
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,480
highly specific

1253
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,720
uh function within the big within the

1254
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,599
big picture

1255
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,560
so again uh to make a long story short i

1256
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,200
i do hope that we now live in a time

1257
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,680
when all of the brilliant people working

1258
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:03,040
in the open science and

1259
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,200
who have had at least a knowledge of or

1260
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,560
exposure to

1261
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,440
uh exotic breakthrough energy and

1262
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,040
propulsion technology

1263
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,079
uh will be able to to to utilize that in

1264
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,520
a constructive commercial way and uh

1265
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,160
yeah yeah and you know i mean your

1266
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:24,800
characters in the film such as forrestal

1267
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,000
uh eisenhower even i mean they do stress

1268
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,240
like these secrets can't last forever

1269
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,400
and i think that's a very important

1270
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,920
thing to keep in mind

1271
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,839
is the suppression of the information

1272
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,160
whether it's technologically driven

1273
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:41,119
or even possibly extraterrestrial driven

1274
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,000
um

1275
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,400
it can't last forever and i think that's

1276
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,079
what gives a lot of people

1277
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:48,240
hope out there whether it's in the ufo

1278
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,280
field or

1279
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:52,720
or or any field i guess uh this idea

1280
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,280
that

1281
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,200
yeah there probably are these clad

1282
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,520
instant groups working together

1283
00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:00,240
and the back room boys and stuff like

1284
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:00,640
that

1285
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,760
but um it just can't you know it can't

1286
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:04,720
last forever

1287
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,079
and um some of those people who also

1288
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,920
i guess tried to get that information

1289
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,480
that was suppressed uh came to the form

1290
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,720
of dr eric davis now i

1291
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,280
i've heard you talk about eric davis in

1292
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,960
previous interviews as well and he's

1293
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,960
kind of a hot topic right now in the

1294
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,760
the ufo field as it were so have you

1295
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,880
been following

1296
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,440
all of this story of the wilson docks

1297
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,599
and all of this stuff chris and

1298
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,599
anything you want to talk about in terms

1299
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,359
of that and the questions you ask in

1300
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,640
your film

1301
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:37,200
well i'm you know i'm very pleased that

1302
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:38,160
uh

1303
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:42,400
notes on

1304
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,160
his discussion with admiral wilson uh

1305
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:49,040
have come to light uh even though again

1306
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,079
they've they've been

1307
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,079
circulated among certain researchers for

1308
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,920
for a number of years

1309
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,520
uh the fact that they are being talked

1310
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,520
about is a really important thing and i

1311
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,040
do find them credible

1312
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,560
um and i i do find

1313
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,520
um the way in which uh admiral wilson

1314
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,880
was allegedly treated

1315
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,160
by the contractor who was running this

1316
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:11,839
special access program to be

1317
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,760
very credible and you can well imagine

1318
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,400
you know you can well imagine other uh

1319
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:19,359
officials

1320
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:23,200
uh even presidents who have been treated

1321
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,960
in a similar uh shoddy way

1322
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,240
by being denied access to the

1323
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:31,040
information you know i would hope that

1324
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,359
it is safer now for people in congress

1325
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,599
to talk about this and to demand

1326
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,720
accountability

1327
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,760
i mean on the one hand we have uh

1328
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,240
the escap the interagency security

1329
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,920
classifications

1330
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,079
classification appeals panel which i

1331
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,000
think actually came about during the

1332
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:53,599
obama years but its reach

1333
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:57,680
is limited um and you know i think that

1334
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,240
it is

1335
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,720
limited in terms of reaching into the

1336
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,000
carved out sections

1337
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,200
of certain special access programs eric

1338
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,200
davis's notes

1339
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,079
point out a particular incident that had

1340
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,720
occurred

1341
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,440
in which congressional oversight was

1342
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:14,880
coming too close

1343
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,319
to their sap and

1344
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,960
the deals that were apparently struck to

1345
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,040
keep that from ever happening again

1346
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,920
so we can only hope that with new blood

1347
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,960
in the congress

1348
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,000
um they won't accept those those

1349
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,920
limitations and and certainly on a

1350
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,119
fiscal level

1351
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,520
you know there'll be a demand for for

1352
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,800
more accountability

1353
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,839
but uh again i i think so much of this

1354
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,000
really has to do with the evolution

1355
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,160
in society in the largest sense

1356
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,359
the willingness to accept not only the

1357
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,760
reality of ufos but the idea that

1358
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,200
we have had contact with

1359
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,800
extraterrestrial races

1360
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,720
it really has to do with humanity's

1361
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,040
organic readiness

1362
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,760
more so than with any active suppression

1363
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,680
which which indeed has taken place

1364
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,240
over decades but it's more to do with

1365
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,160
our readiness and so for that reason i

1366
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,119
think that

1367
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:11,359
all of these revelations are extremely

1368
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:12,319
important in

1369
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:16,160
allowing individuals to feel uh more

1370
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,880
comfortable

1371
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,880
talking about the subject and

1372
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,640
questioning the

1373
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,200
lies that we've been spoon fed for so

1374
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,599
many years the distortions that we've

1375
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,800
you know been been fed ever since well

1376
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,160
the robertson panel and

1377
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,839
and before then in the 1950s um

1378
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,319
we we really need to own up to this and

1379
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,319
accept responsibility for it our our

1380
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,680
president in the film

1381
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,960
our obama our obama character says

1382
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,200
you know do you want the people to feel

1383
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,960
like uh

1384
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,559
they're part of some creative

1385
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,800
evolutionary process you know as opposed

1386
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,520
to feeling

1387
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,440
jerked around by like puppets on a

1388
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,160
string by a conspiracy of bankers or

1389
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,520
blue bloods or

1390
00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:00,480
the media or whatever so and an

1391
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,440
important part of this

1392
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,440
is the media's willingness to step up to

1393
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,480
the plate and

1394
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,880
and cover the topic in something other

1395
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,400
than the giggle factor

1396
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,520
you know anybody familiar with um terry

1397
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,160
hansen's book the missing times

1398
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,800
knows that there's a long history of the

1399
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:17,680
media

1400
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,319
covering this in a very distorted way

1401
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,359
absolutely

1402
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,760
yeah often being upon wittingly or

1403
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,640
unwittingly and spreading disinformation

1404
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,880
right and i know we've even had things

1405
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:30,240
like i believe it was project

1406
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,040
mockingbird

1407
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,920
if i'm not mistaken where like even the

1408
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,599
cia and whatnot were

1409
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:38,160
telling journalists what to write about

1410
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,800
and i mean

1411
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:41,599
that right there is just a sign of how

1412
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,480
far

1413
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,000
the intelligence communities might be

1414
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,760
willing to go to suppress that

1415
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,640
information

1416
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,160
or to keep that stigma alive um and i

1417
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,839
think you're right i think now more than

1418
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,119
ever we are

1419
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,400
inching towards uh some sort of shift

1420
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,520
and uh at 2020

1421
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,760
the possibilities are endless as we have

1422
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,359
seen chris so i mean

1423
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:06,160
maybe this will be the time and you know

1424
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,720
we have a

1425
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,960
another election coming up very very

1426
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,920
soon so

1427
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,839
could this be a tie turning in terms of

1428
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,520
the ufo issue i don't know

1429
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,400
but um i i love that i that question

1430
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,800
that you have your obama character

1431
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,839
kind of um jab back at eisenhower with

1432
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,480
because

1433
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,240
eisenhower's initial question is how do

1434
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,400
we humanity get through this with our

1435
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,920
power intact

1436
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,000
and um i think you're right i think it

1437
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,440
really depends on

1438
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,599
how we deal with that information if it

1439
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,680
was given to us that's been

1440
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,920
the biggest hypothetical since day one

1441
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,280
when it comes to that

1442
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,760
that word disclosure you know how will

1443
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:42,880
the world change

1444
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,040
um how will it affect everything yeah

1445
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,720
yeah absolutely and so much of it

1446
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,160
depends uh

1447
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,920
as well on the way in which we conceive

1448
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,920
of our government you know rather than

1449
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,079
uh conceiving of the government as

1450
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,599
something that rules

1451
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,480
us or rules over us you know when do we

1452
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,160
when do we start conceiving of it

1453
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,800
as uh something that serves us you know

1454
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,319
and how can it serve us

1455
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,520
optimally as as individuals as as people

1456
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,839
as opposed to uh serving special

1457
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,040
interests

1458
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:15,520
i i do think that we we are entering a

1459
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,240
new era

1460
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,960
and certainly i don't think that the ic

1461
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,640
is necessarily working against this i

1462
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,880
think that the factions working against

1463
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,960
so-called disclosure are are very small

1464
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:25,920
indeed i mean

1465
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,960
very small and very entrenched and

1466
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,400
um but i think for the most part

1467
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,520
there is a wait-and-see attitude and a

1468
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,000
very much an awareness of our readiness

1469
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,319
and and certainly we see that i think in

1470
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,880
these seeming trial balloons that

1471
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,520
american presidents have have floated

1472
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,520
by way of their television appearances

1473
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,280
their late night talk shows one of which

1474
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,040
is dramatized in the film

1475
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,040
yeah you know being asked by jimmy

1476
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,960
kimmel about this and

1477
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,079
i think those shed a lot of light on the

1478
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,599
idea that

1479
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,839
our leaders do have a finger on the

1480
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,760
pulse of our readiness

1481
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,839
to to deal with this to deal with this

1482
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,960
topic even

1483
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,880
our current president appeared recently

1484
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:11,119
on in a father's day interview with his

1485
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,920
son

1486
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:14,160
and in my opinion probably went further

1487
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,040
in in that

1488
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,520
particular uh trial balloon if you want

1489
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,559
to call it that

1490
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,960
then the other people have gone even in

1491
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,160
the past so

1492
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,400
yeah it was interesting you know when

1493
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,079
when our current president was first

1494
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,000
selected like it was not a topic

1495
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,400
he wanted to touch he had no interest in

1496
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,520
it he didn't

1497
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,520
uh personal beliefs kept him from

1498
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:34,640
looking into it

1499
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,480
uh and now we see towards the end of uh

1500
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,040
his first presidency um we won't get

1501
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:42,880
into politics but uh

1502
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,040
but um a sort of willingness to be more

1503
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,480
open to the topic

1504
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:51,200
i found very fascinating uh maybe he

1505
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,079
does

1506
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,920
know more than he's letting on and we do

1507
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:56,079
know that probably certain presidents

1508
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,480
were

1509
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,839
led into more information than others i

1510
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:02,000
i would assume bush at some point you

1511
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,520
know

1512
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,640
truman obviously and this that but it is

1513
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,520
an interesting

1514
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,400
question and um moving back to the

1515
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:11,920
public for a minute

1516
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:16,240
and i guess more of within the ufology

1517
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,880
circles

1518
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,839
this niche community um as it were

1519
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,680
there's kind of two camps chris and i'm

1520
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,119
sure you've come across this

1521
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,119
as i have in your research there's a

1522
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:27,520
very nuts and bolts scientific approach

1523
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,240
to

1524
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:31,280
a physical tangible phenomenon and then

1525
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,160
there's this whole

1526
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:35,280
idea of consciousness aspect to it all a

1527
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,839
more metaphysical or

1528
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,280
interdimensional approach and in your

1529
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,720
film you kind of tackle

1530
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,440
both of these elements in in an elegance

1531
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,799
i've not really seen done

1532
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,440
before in any film or television show

1533
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,880
and um

1534
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,280
i was wondering do you think we should

1535
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,599
as a community whether it's just ufology

1536
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,599
or people interested in this topic

1537
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,760
should we be focusing on one or the

1538
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,440
other when it comes to this or

1539
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,760
should we be tackling this mystery from

1540
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:02,960
all ends what do you think

1541
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,920
personally i think we should look at it

1542
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,720
from all ends but i also know that

1543
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,680
the circus of phenomenon of phenomena if

1544
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,040
you want to call it that of

1545
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,520
of you know physiological phenomena and

1546
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,440
evidence can be

1547
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:20,960
uh kind of um uh

1548
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,079
a bottomless pit you know um

1549
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,359
so i really think that we need to

1550
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,880
we really need to ask ourselves uh

1551
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,880
you know what is what does this mean on

1552
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,200
a level of consciousness and on a level

1553
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,799
of personal growth

1554
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,319
and what does our presumed connection to

1555
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,319
various extraterrestrial races

1556
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,440
throughout our history

1557
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,400
mean to us and to our sense of identity

1558
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,920
and to our religions and other

1559
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:49,040
institutions

1560
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,720
i mean they're big questions that i

1561
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:52,400
think need to be

1562
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,240
examined uh much more than uh

1563
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,240
you know artifacts need to be examined

1564
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,520
and

1565
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,680
uh speculation about artifacts even

1566
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,559
though all of that

1567
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,400
is interesting and important you know

1568
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,240
the physical traces that are left

1569
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,000
during landings and close encounter

1570
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,280
events uh

1571
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,640
the ejecta that we've analyzed or

1572
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,680
we that that have been analyzed and

1573
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,000
written

1574
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,400
about by people like jacques valet who

1575
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,440
himself is

1576
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,599
certainly very much a proponent of the

1577
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:22,960
idea of

1578
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,079
these visitors being interdimensional in

1579
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,680
some nature or being

1580
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,520
from a realm of consciousness rather

1581
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:30,880
than uh

1582
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,240
physiological beings who who traveled

1583
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,880
zillions of miles to to get here

1584
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,400
metallic objects

1585
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,319
so um it is very important to consider

1586
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,640
on a very deeply personal level what

1587
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,920
what this means to us and

1588
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,119
and to quell you know and and address

1589
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,400
any elements of shadow that are inside

1590
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:54,319
us personally individually

1591
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,400
uh that are related to this projection

1592
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,319
that we have of the other or this

1593
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,520
projection of

1594
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,440
of extraterrestrial visitors you know

1595
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,760
how does that relate to our shadow and

1596
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,839
you know by by looking and examining

1597
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,200
deeply our own shadows

1598
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,359
you know can we let go of any fear that

1599
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,559
we might have

1600
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,640
of encountering the other and

1601
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:15,599
acknowledging

1602
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,640
our connection to the other and indeed

1603
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,839
if you want to talk about truth and

1604
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,079
reconciliation acknowledging

1605
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:24,400
our connection and responsibility on

1606
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,119
some level

1607
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,559
for all of the uh sequestration

1608
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,359
of the information and cover-up and the

1609
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,960
illegality

1610
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,440
and terrible deeds that were associated

1611
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,640
with that in the past

1612
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:39,119
it really is a mirror reflecting back on

1613
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,079
us this entire

1614
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,799
topic and you know i started as a young

1615
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:45,200
ufo researcher just looking at the nuts

1616
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,400
and bolts and

1617
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,799
realizing as the years went on and after

1618
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:51,760
interviewing hundreds and hundreds of

1619
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,520
witnesses or claimed uh close encounter

1620
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,920
experiencers or even abductees you know

1621
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,520
i i have

1622
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,079
kind of gone down that road of this says

1623
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,559
so much more about us than it ever will

1624
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:07,680
uh the phenomena so i'm so glad to see

1625
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:08,240
that that

1626
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,599
that was kind of the overall uh idea of

1627
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,200
your film is what does this mean

1628
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,000
as human beings and i i'm sure this kind

1629
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,760
of ties into your last answer but what

1630
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,599
do you hope viewers will

1631
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:22,240
take away from the 11th green you know i

1632
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,119
hope that

1633
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,599
they would have fun with the film first

1634
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:27,680
of all and enjoy the film

1635
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,440
but i also would hope that they uh maybe

1636
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,839
use it as an excuse to examine some of

1637
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:35,119
their preconceptions

1638
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,960
about ufos or extraterrestrial visitors

1639
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,319
or

1640
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,920
american century

1641
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,559
or the growth of the military-industrial

1642
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,160
complex

1643
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,079
i would hope that it would just inspire

1644
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,760
some of those discussions and

1645
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:54,480
even look at the institutions that are

1646
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,200
depicted

1647
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,520
uh the chiefly the institution of the

1648
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,040
american presidency

1649
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,799
uh the way it in which it's depicted in

1650
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,160
the way in which we

1651
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,960
think about our leaders and uh you know

1652
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,319
what we want them to be

1653
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,720
who they want who we want them to be for

1654
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,680
us

1655
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,160
yeah that's a really really good way to

1656
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,760
sort of i think cap off

1657
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:16,079
the 11th green here chris but um i got

1658
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:16,799
to ask you

1659
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,079
as a filmmaker and i'm sure it's hard to

1660
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,480
to get this question after just having

1661
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,160
released a film i know when my

1662
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:26,559
book first came out the next day people

1663
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,440
asked me you know

1664
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,960
what's next what are you doing next like

1665
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,280
i just spent two years on this book

1666
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,280
you know so what comes next for you as a

1667
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:35,119
filmmaker anything you can share with us

1668
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,839
that you're

1669
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,839
you're working on you know i'm looking

1670
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,440
at a couple of things i

1671
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:41,200
am not very far along with either of

1672
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,480
them uh one of them is

1673
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,319
is tangentially related to to uh the

1674
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,520
subject of

1675
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,599
uh visitation and it's also an

1676
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:51,440
historical film so

1677
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,559
i you know i'm i'm in the position where

1678
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,200
the pictures that i make do tend to be

1679
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:59,040
very personal and they do tend to follow

1680
01:00:06,069 --> 00:59:59,520
my

1681
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,079
can't put a finger on what it is that

1682
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,839
causes me to want to do a film but i do

1683
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,440
know that once i

1684
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,760
commit to it it's a very deep commitment

1685
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,920
and you know typically these things take

1686
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,400
me

1687
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:16,640
a number of years to do um the 11th

1688
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,440
green took

1689
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,760
seven years you know to make i'm i'm

1690
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,960
excited going forward

1691
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,880
interestingly i you know i feel like the

1692
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,480
work that i've been doing since

1693
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,760
letters from the big man really is

1694
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,119
well i should say that i regard

1695
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,040
everything before that as having been

1696
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,359
kind of apprentice work for me

1697
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,839
uh which i love and you know which i

1698
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:37,920
appreciate in hindsight but

1699
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,119
uh i think that what i'm doing now uh

1700
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:43,119
interests me more than any of that ever

1701
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,240
did so

1702
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,799
i'm sure that's very rewarding in many

1703
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,000
ways as well and

1704
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,160
i mean what i really enjoyed about this

1705
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,000
film chris is now i have

1706
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,480
other films of yours to go and and look

1707
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:56,319
at because this was my introduction to

1708
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,440
your work and

1709
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,280
it was it really impressed me and i

1710
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,960
think what's really important to keep in

1711
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,000
mind too is

1712
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,799
you're challenging these issues you're

1713
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,000
challenging

1714
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:09,119
hollywood even i mean your your films

1715
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,079
are not

1716
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,359
this cookie cutter spoon fed to you

1717
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,680
thing that we're so used to seeing i

1718
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,680
mean i had so many questions

1719
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,160
after watching the film so i'm so happy

1720
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,520
we got to uh

1721
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:23,680
sort of um unpack some of those here

1722
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,559
today

1723
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,599
um but yeah i really enjoy the fact that

1724
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,599
you're not giving us all the answers

1725
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,520
because we probably will never get those

1726
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,520
let's be completely honest but

1727
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,200
at least we're trying and i think what's

1728
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,040
important with the ufo topic is

1729
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:39,280
we haven't found an answer in 70 plus

1730
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,240
years and

1731
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,400
i think it might be time to start asking

1732
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,839
new questions so

1733
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,920
i'm so happy you were able to do that oh

1734
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,520
thank you yes i think that

1735
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:49,200
i think that that suggestion is is a

1736
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,040
very good one yeah

1737
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,839
uh new questions absolutely well in

1738
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,640
terms of

1739
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,640
new questions chris my last question for

1740
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,559
you here uh can you explain

1741
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,960
theatrical at home for us and how and

1742
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,000
where we can find

1743
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:04,400
the 11th grade sure you know when the

1744
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,440
11th green

1745
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:07,599
uh was ready to be released

1746
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,559
unfortunately

1747
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:11,200
it coincided with the quarantine and as

1748
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,240
a result of that

1749
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,559
most theaters were closed everywhere so

1750
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:15,920
we began working with

1751
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,640
a platform that was started by a

1752
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,000
producer friend of mine

1753
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,520
from oregon and she had had a successful

1754
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:25,359
release of her previous film

1755
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:28,799
phoenix oregon utilizing this method

1756
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,880
so basically it

1757
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:35,359
let's see a ticket purchase uh of the

1758
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:36,240
film

1759
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:40,240
theater

1760
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:44,000
it's as if you know you had made an

1761
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:44,720
in-person

1762
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,000
attendance um and the theaters are

1763
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,680
listed you know on the side and you can

1764
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,440
choose one from a drop-down menu that

1765
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,200
you want to support

1766
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,440
and that's the way it's available right

1767
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:57,119
now and then it it will eventually

1768
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,000
transition

1769
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,200
into a more conventional vod type of

1770
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,119
release on the usual platforms

1771
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:06,319
itunes and amazon's but uh not not until

1772
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,760
uh probably later in in september

1773
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,920
but for the time being uh the easiest

1774
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:13,200
way to find the film

1775
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,839
is just through my website

1776
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:16,480
christophermunch.com

1777
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,839
and there's you can't miss it there's

1778
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,680
a link right link right there that'll

1779
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:23,119
take you to the purchase page at

1780
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:24,559
theatrical at home

1781
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:27,359
and then there's uh there's a recorded

1782
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:27,760
uh

1783
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,799
q a discussion a post-screening

1784
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,640
discussion that's included with that

1785
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,880
and we will be having a live q a coming

1786
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,680
up on july 20th

1787
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,680
which anybody who buys a ticket to the

1788
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:41,680
film will also have the opportunity to

1789
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,319
see

1790
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:45,039
and will be invited to uh participate in

1791
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,760
so

1792
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,240
um there's one film festival date coming

1793
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,680
up that i should mention this

1794
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:52,240
tuesday the 14th at maine uh a

1795
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:53,200
conventional

1796
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,280
drive-in theater in skowhegan maine

1797
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,240
a very reputable uh uh distinguished

1798
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:01,440
older film festival

1799
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,559
uh programmed by ken eisen uh

1800
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,400
so that's the main international film

1801
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,920
festival on the 14th but for most of

1802
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,400
your audience who is not in maine

1803
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,400
the best way to see the film is simply

1804
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,799
to go to my website christophermunch.com

1805
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,440
that's awesome and you know it's 20 20

1806
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,720
chris who would have thought drive-in

1807
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,119
movie theaters would be making a return

1808
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,400
right oh yeah i think it's great it is

1809
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,039
it really is uh well i have to thank you

1810
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,559
for coming on today chris this is

1811
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,720
fascinating please everyone go

1812
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,359
check out the movie the 11th green and

1813
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:35,039
chris thank you so much for joining me

1814
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,240
on somewhere in the skies

1815
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:37,839
thank you so much for having me brian

1816
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:06,829
[Music]

1817
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,920
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1818
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,000
third kind productions in association